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玩过FATE的人都知道亚瑟王被称为“かつて存在し、未来に復活する王”，其实这句话就是翻译自建立起亚瑟王传说体系的经典著作，T.H.White的The Once And Future King（《曾经与未来之王》）的书名。这部四卷著作之后，还有人整理了他的遗作The Book of Merlyn（梅林之书）。最近在读这本书，在里面找到了一些很有意思的、当年White研究亚瑟王传说时写下来的小结。顺便翻译了一下： “The whole Arthurian story is a regular greek doom, comparable to that of Orestes. 整部亚瑟王传说就是一部希腊神话中通常的破灭悲剧，可以与俄瑞斯忒斯的故事相比。 （注：：俄瑞斯忒斯是特洛伊故事中阿加门农和杀害了自己丈夫的克莱德姆内斯特拉的儿子，他和其姐姐埃勒克特拉通过杀其母及其母情人艾吉其塞斯而为其父报仇。附带一提，Orestes complex指的是儿子的弑母情结，正好与Oedipus complex相对） “Uther started the wrong-doing upon the family of the duke of Cornwall, and it was the descendant of that family who finally revenged the wrong upon Arthur. The fathers have eaten sour grapes etc. Arthur had to pay for his father's initial transgression, but, to make it fairer, the fates ordained that he himself should also make a transgression (against the Cornwalls) in order to bind him more closely in identification with the doom. Uther（亚瑟王他老爸）最先对Cornwall公爵家族乱来，而最终也正是这个家族的后人向亚瑟王报复他父亲所作的一切。父债子偿，亚瑟王必须为他老头最初的错误买单，不过，为了使这看起来更公平，命运注定了亚瑟王也要犯下罪行（对Cornwall家）以使得他与他被注定的破灭的命运（这个……在哪里听过的样子）更紧密地绑定在一起。 “It happened like this. 一切是这样开始的： “The Duke of Cornwall married Igraine and they had three daughters, Morgan le Fay, Elaine and Morgause. Cornwall公与Igraine结婚，生了三个女儿Morgan le Fay，Elaine和Morgause。 “Uther Pendragon fell in love with Igraine and slew her husband in war, in order to get her. Upon her he begot Arthur, so that Arthur was half brother to the three girls. But he was brought up separately. Uther Pendragon爱上了Igraine于是发动战争做掉了她老公，只为了得到她(爱无罪~~~~~XD)。Igraine为他生下了亚瑟，所以亚瑟王其实是那她三个女儿同母异父的弟弟。但亚瑟是在别处养大的。（……这种典型的ACG设定一听就知道会出问题，还真是邪恶……） “The girls married Uriens, Nentres and Lot, all kings. They would naturally have a dislike for Uther and anybody who had anything to do with Uther. 三个女儿分别嫁给了三个国王Uriens，Nentres和Lot。于是他们很自然地就会憎恨Uther以及一切与Uther有关的人。 “When Uther died and Arthur succeeded him in mysterious circumstances, naturally Arthur inherited this feud. The girls persuaded their husbands to lead a revolt of eleven kings. Uther死后，亚瑟在一种神秘的状况下取得了成功（指拔出石中剑登上王位），自然地他也就继承了这一段世仇。三个女人劝说她们的丈夫组织并参与了颠覆活动“十一王之乱”。（女人的怨念~~~~枕边风是很可怕的……） Arthur had been told that Uther was his father, but Uther had been a vigourous old gentleman and Merlyn had very stupidly forgotten to tell Arthur who his mother was. 亚瑟被告知Uther是他的老爸，但是Uther是一个精力旺盛的老花花，梅林又是个老糊涂忘记了告诉亚瑟谁是他老妈。（这种组合好像也在哪里见过……） “After a great battle in which the 11 kings were subdued, Morgause, the wife of King Lot, came to Arthur on an embassy. They did not know of their relationship at this time. They fell for each other, went to bed together, and the result was Mordred. Mordred was thus the fruit of incest (his father was his mother's half brother), and it was he who finally brought the doom on Arthur's head. The sin was incest, the punishment Guinever, and the instrument of punishment Mordred, the fruit of the sin. It was Mordred who insisted on blowing the gaff on Launcelot and Guinever's affair, which Arthur was content to overlook, so long as it was not put into words.” 一场大战之后十一王之乱被镇压，Lot王的老婆Morgause为进行外交斡旋而来找亚瑟王（这……不就是勇敢的心么~~~~~Lot同志自愿戴绿帽大家要理解~~~~~）。当时他们并不知道他们之间的关系，于是他们坠入爱河，上床，产品就是Mordred（我们听到了开头，也就猜中了结局~~~~~XD）。故Mordred是乱伦的结晶（他爸是他妈同母异父的弟弟），而且也正是Mordred最终让命定的破灭和审判降临到亚瑟王头上。乱伦是罪，奎妮薇尔是罚（指她伙同自己老公手下打手团——圆桌骑士的首席员工兰斯洛特给自己的老板戴绿帽），而Mordred，禁断之恋的果实（……），就是执行惩罚的手段（就是他在最后一战里做掉了亚瑟王）。将兰斯洛特与奎妮薇尔之间的私通（王后+人妻）抖出来的就是这小子，本来人家亚瑟王就准备这件事只要没有人尽皆知就睁一只眼闭一只眼的说…… 结论：古老传说的YY度不输给现代~~~~~XD 原贴地址 http://grassmoon.net/bbs/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=1&ID=113982

	第(1)楼,发贴时间:06-01-19 23:52

这个..............貌似这个故事无需这么特意另外开贴吧...........而且这个神话故事很好查................ 比着枪手之类的.........那叫个难啊.......... 注:后来才发觉极度EG............orz..............

	第(2)楼,发贴时间:06-01-19 23:53

貌似很邪恶,CJ的我是不会研究的........

	第(3)楼,发贴时间:06-01-19 23:59

說起來是次戰爭中CASTER是很有名的希臘悲劇,也有論者認為那表達了一種女權主義........

	第(4)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 00:03

女權主義..............谁能来解释一下.........从政治和哲学的方面............哪里在C子姐的死里体现出女權主義了...........

	第(5)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 00:29

引用: JTR在01-20 00:03说: 女權主義..............谁能来解释一下.........从政治和哲学的方面............哪里在C子姐的死里体现出女權主義了........... CASTER是美狄亞啊.......=_=

	第(6)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 00:32

http://www.iogoo.com/ShowTopic-8976-137~108321.html#108321 参考

	第(7)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 00:41

我只见到她是男权主义的牺牲品..........

	第(8)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 00:57

美狄亞是因為自己的意志倒貼某王子,又因為自己被背叛了而以自己的力量復仇....父權制不曾期望這種女人的存在=_= 大概會更期望某櫻這類性情的存在吧?但在底下的卻是扭曲軟弱的自我,到底這種人的人生實際上還真會很失敗的.....

	第(9)楼,发贴时间:06-01-20 11:44

不错...很详细啊....慢慢看